Landmark LCN Declaration Announcement Notice

Trife

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Apr 20th 2011, 21:21:29

On behalf of LCN, I would like to state that we have decided that

.999... does INDEED equal 1.

If you would like, feel free to discuss.

Trife
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Reckless

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Apr 20th 2011, 21:23:37

Impossible.

Trife

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Apr 20th 2011, 21:25:05

Originally posted by Reckless:

Impossible.

{citation needed}

Rockman

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Apr 20th 2011, 21:26:09

Only part of your statement is in caps, so only part of your statement must be true.

Jiman

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Apr 20th 2011, 21:27:48

understand what infinity means and you will understand this concept.

Trife

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Apr 20th 2011, 21:30:52

Originally posted by Rockman:

Only part of your statement is in caps, so only part of your statement must be true.

On the other hand, only one letter of your statement is in caps so your statement must only be one letters' worth of truthiness.

Originally posted by Jiman:

understand what infinity means and you will understand this concept.

I try to count to infinity, but every single damn time I think I've counted to the end, I realize I've gotta count one more number. ITS IMPOSSIBLE! :(

deepcode

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Apr 20th 2011, 22:08:03

I have no math skills whatsoever, but I've always been a firm believer that infinity is equal to one, unity.

Don't know why, it just feels right.

Evolution

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Apr 20th 2011, 22:15:26

Pie = 3.1~

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xman

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Apr 20th 2011, 23:17:24

Hah.

Angel1

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Apr 20th 2011, 23:31:12

Effectively one, I'll grant, but no more than that.

-Angel1

ninong

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Apr 24th 2012, 3:33:22

confirmed

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Detmer

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Apr 24th 2012, 3:34:54

♥

Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 3:44:34

"know infinity"

1.000000000000000000....-.0000000000000(infinite repeat)000001=?

?=.9999999999.......

Its like saying 10-1=9, so therefor 10 can not equal 9.

Somehow you retards have made 9=10

Nitro

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Apr 24th 2012, 3:46:55

1 / 3 = .3333 repeating

2 / 3 = .6666 repeating

3 / 3 should equal .99999 repeating but it equals 1

I validate LCN's notice.

Junky

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Apr 24th 2012, 3:49:19

Originally posted by Trife:

On behalf of LCN, I would like to state that we have decided that

.999... does INDEED equal 1.

If you would like, feel free to discuss.

Trife

Nooooo!!!! it's not True!!!!! its IMPOSIBLE!!!!!!!
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Rockman

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Apr 24th 2012, 3:51:39

Originally posted by Nitro:

1 / 3 = .3333 repeating

2 / 3 = .6666 repeating

3 / 3 should equal .99999 repeating but it equals 1

I validate LCN's notice.

Are you sure of that, Nitro? Does that mean 4/3 = .12121212 repeating and 5/3 = .15151515 repeating?

Devestation

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Apr 24th 2012, 3:54:26

UNPLUG YOUR GODDAMN COMPUTERS ALL OF YOU

Rockman

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Apr 24th 2012, 3:57:53

Originally posted by Devestation:

UNPLUG YOUR GODDAMN COMPUTERS ALL OF YOU

I have a notebook computer. It already is unplugged.

H4xOr WaNgEr

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Apr 24th 2012, 4:01:32

Rockman still hasn't posted his position on this thread :P

Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 4:01:40

3/3 should equal .999...
But it doesn't.

Math and Science is not perfect, hence theory. We can only know what we've discovered.

Saying .999...=1 is no different then saying 1=2 or 7=12
They are different mathematical values, end of story.

"Close but no cigar" comes to mind

KyleCleric

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Apr 24th 2012, 4:08:31

.3333.... is approximately 1/3
.6666.... is approximately 2/3
.9999.... is approximately 3/3 while 3/3=1
We can use those real numbers as if they were equal for most informal situations. It just can't be used like that by anyone who actually does real math.

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H4xOr WaNgEr

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Apr 24th 2012, 4:26:07

It isn't the same thing at all Marco, all of those other examples are whole numbers, they aren't infinitely approaching something.

hawkeyee

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Apr 24th 2012, 4:48:34

I had this discussion with some friends the other day. I maintain that you can't infinitely approach anything. 0 is no farther or closer to infinity than 1,000 or than 1,000,000. To say that something is closer there must be some point or location that it's closer to. The difference between 0 and infinity is the same as the difference between 1,000 and infinity - both are infinity.

As for the .9...=1 argument...

What is 1-.9...? The answer is 0.000.....1. Well, the 0.000... doesn't end. You have a 0, then an infinite number of 0s after the decimal place, and then AFTER the infinite number of 0s you put a 1. But since you can't have anything after infinity, the answer is 0.9... + 0.0... = 1 therefore 0.9... = 1

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Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 5:13:20

Hawkeye lies

And of course you can have a 1 after an infinite number of 0s.

I'm using the idea of infinity and not a clearly defined number.

I have an infinitley large basket.
It has an infinite numbers of apples.
I eat an apple.
The basket now has an infinite number of apples, minus 1.
That is .999....
You have to take something from the whole to acheive .999....

I don't care how fancy your equations are. This is why we haven't acheived deep space travel amongst other things.
We can only know what we currently understand, and what we understand is flawed sciences. Your equations prove .999...=1, but going back to simpler times, basic math says you must take something from 1 to acheive .999..., so it can not possibly be the same number. Every time a flaw is found sometime gives it a name and calls it a theory, in fact its just a flawed system that prices itself flawed.

Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 5:16:09

I'm on my phone,
swype + spellcheck = infinity

Servant

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Apr 24th 2012, 5:28:00

sigh

Z is #1

Anonymous

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Apr 24th 2012, 5:47:27

Originally posted by KyleCleric:

This is flawed though. 2/3 is not approximately .666... it is exactly equivalent. Same with 1/3 and .333...

3/3s is not .999... it is 1. Real basic maths. how many times does 3 fit into 3? Exactly 1 time, with no remainder.

If you want to try and call .999... 3/3s that's fine and now 1/3 = .4 and 2/3 = .7 okay?

You can't have it both ways.

This also has nothing at all to do with the math that attempts to prove .999... = 1.. Just is bugging me.

All you are doing in this case is rounding the number to the nearest 10th.

Edited By: Anonymous on Apr 24th 2012, 5:50:05
See Original Post

Anonymous

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Apr 24th 2012, 5:56:22

.999... one, I am on a diet.

Anyways, I don't guess I care if .999... = 1 or not as I would round it to 1 anyways.

However for those posting these useless proofs that in no way are official, start with some of the earliest proofs such that 10 = 9.999.

Sifos

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Apr 24th 2012, 7:59:27

Imag is policing for LCN while they're fighting the rational parts of their minds.

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Purposeful1

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Apr 24th 2012, 8:19:42

Either one, Jayr. They're the same.

Purposeful1

elvesrus

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Apr 24th 2012, 9:01:43

x = 0.999...
10x = 9.999...
10x - x = 9.999... - 0.999...
9x = 9
x = 1

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INVINCIBLE IRONMAN

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Apr 24th 2012, 13:28:00

Trifel you got nothing better to do??

Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 13:46:31

Originally posted by elvesrus:

x = 0.999...
10x = 9.999...
10x - x = 9.999... - 0.999...
9x = 9
x = 1

I've always had a real issue with the 2nd line.
You add 10 to one side, and 9 to the other to prove this equation.
write the line in long form that youre proving.

10*.999...=9.999...
you're assuming x = .999...
Now lets continue the equation in the same manner as yours
10*(.999...-.999...)=9.999...-.999...
10=9
In your world, maybe its true.
However, with a basis in reality, both numbers hold a value. Only identical numbers can hold the same value. 10 does not equal 9, just like 1 does not equal .999...

Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 13:51:19

This formula is just a mind fluff for a flawed theory.

Rockman

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Apr 24th 2012, 13:53:25

Marco - how does multiplying by zero help anything?

Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 13:54:49

There will always be that infinitesimal .0001 that will seperate the 2 values

Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 13:57:06

Originally posted by Rockman:

Marco - how does multiplying by zero help anything?

I decided to skip a step, just like in the above formula where we can assume a value, then in the next line
-assumption=-true to prove something.

martian

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Apr 24th 2012, 13:57:11

10*.999...=9.999...
you're assuming x = .999...
Now lets continue the equation in the same manner as yours
10*(.999...-.999...)=9.999...-.999...

How does that follow from the line above?
10*.9999..... = 9.9999999
if I subtract .99999 from both sides I get
10*.99999 - .9999 = 9.99999 -.99999
which is .99999*(10 - 1 ) = 9
.9999999... * 9 = 9
and since .9999... = 1
we get 9 = 9

nice try though :)

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Apr 24th 2012, 13:58:52

also if you are going to multiply one side by zero, you have to do the same to the other side. You can't divide by zero, that's undefined.

10*0 = 9* 0 does *NOT* imply that 10 = 9
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Rockman

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Apr 24th 2012, 13:59:29

Originally posted by Marco:

10*(.999...-.999...)=9.999...-.999...

Note that (.999...-.999...) is equal to zero no matter whether or not .999...=1 or not. There is no infinitesimal .0001 between the two.

Rockman

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Apr 24th 2012, 14:00:05

Originally posted by Marco:

Originally posted by Rockman:

Marco - how does multiplying by zero help anything?

I decided to skip a step, just like in the above formula where we can assume a value, then in the next line
-assumption=-true to prove something.

You decided to change the order of operations and change 10x-x to 10(x-x).

Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 14:05:34

Yea yea yea :) my mistake.
however it changes nothing.
0=9 isn't true either

By assuming a true value, in an equation you can make anything seem equal, that doesn't make the equation true.

martian

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Apr 24th 2012, 14:05:51

.99999... = 1 is a very well proven mathematical fact based on the way we've chosen to define numbers. It's a real analysis example of how our representation of numbers is not unique. This doesn't present any issues (other than confusing people) though.

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Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 14:12:01

Martian the only thing true is
1=.999...rounded
There will come a time where the theory is disproven. Just like the earth is not flat and the sun does not revolve around the earth. It will come eventually, until then call me galileo.

Marco

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Apr 24th 2012, 14:17:27

And martian, where your box says mod czar, I am expecting mine to says EE's Galileo

H4xOr WaNgEr

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Apr 24th 2012, 21:36:17

Originally posted by Marco:

Originally posted by elvesrus:

x = 0.999...
10x = 9.999...
10x - x = 9.999... - 0.999...
9x = 9
x = 1

I've always had a real issue with the 2nd line.
You add 10 to one side, and 9 to the other to prove this equation.

No... they didn't. They MULTIPLIED by sides by 10, they didn't ADD anything.

10 * x = 10x, 10* 0.9.... = 9.9...

Marco = fail.

Also, your whole arguement is hinged on "only identical numbers have the same value, thus these can't have the same value"

They ARE identical, that is the point.

martian

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Apr 24th 2012, 21:41:51

@marco: it's not a theory it's a fact. Math is not a science and hence does not have theories in the way that science does. Math is a human construct based on a set of rules and everything mathematical is extrapolated from those rules. If you read any real analysis text book it will prove that .9999... = 1. There is no rounding, no approximations, nothing. There are multiple ways to prove that .999.. = 1, the simplest versions are given here.

fyi: science is deductive based on observational evidence. Nothing can be proven 100% in science whereas it can be in mathematics. If I change the basic rules of mathematics, I can change the way the whole system works and still be 100% correct within the new rules. You can't really do that with science.. :P

And I would rather call you ptolomy:)

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H4xOr WaNgEr

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Apr 24th 2012, 21:42:03

Also, its amusing that Marco is arguing with Rockman and Martian, 2 people that are highly education in mathematics (Martian = phd and Rockman I think has a graduate degree in math as well?)