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Aug 10th 2025, 3:58:23

And, when players are reporting it, and you have playwr A bouncing an op, then within say 5-10 minutes player B is successfullly breaking with no op at all, and this is happening consistently with those two countries and players, set in and set out, the inference and belief gets much stronger.

With due respect, it has gotta be a two way street, especially on a server where its supposed to be solo play.
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Aug 10th 2025, 3:47:49

Originally posted by Slagpit:
Failed informational spy operations do not convey any information and do not change the game state; thus, cheating is not possible with them. Hope this helps.


A failed op does not. However, a reasonable inference can be made that multiple ops until a successful op was made ovcurred.

With all due respect, your response comes off as deliberately trying to minimise or downplay the believed collusion attempts
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Aug 10th 2025, 2:50:22

Originally posted by Slagpit:
1) Complaining about getting killed by a group of players
2) Complaining about getting farmed
3) Complaining about a single land grab
4) Complaining about getting your banks bombed
5) WE ARE HERE => Complaining about failed informational spy ops <= WE ARE HERE

It's especially strange to see the players against military sanctions complain about failed informational spy ops. I just don't get it. Informational spy ops are even allowed on the Cooperation server. If they upset you that much then there really isn't any game server that can accommodate your needs.



So far as I can tell, it appears to be players complaining about other players actively colluding.
Player A spying on Player B, then passing that info to Player C for Player C to make hits.

When behaviour like that, in a server where such collusion is supposed to be banned, is allowed to continue, it gives the impression, intended or not, that the mods and devs are protecting, or giving special treatment, to said players.

This is absolutely something that will cause player frustration and unhappiness, especially when said players are seemingly doing it so regularly that the rest of the playerbase are seeing the pattern, reporting it and nothing happening, whilst people seemingly get banned for even mild trolling upon the boards.

Now. I dont play this server, so my opinion to a degree is irrelevant.
However, I have attempted to choose my words carefully, in order to respectfully convey what it appears that the mods may be misunderstanding/misinterpreting in their response to the playerbase.
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Aug 10th 2025, 0:34:22

Originally posted by UgolinoII:
Sounds like a good idea.

The criteria should be: "making obvious-troll threads on AT"

Just like you have.


it IS concerning, because, so far as I can tell, it prevents players from being able to play the game properly.

As near as I can tell, it prevents players from making any form of offensive hit, or any spy ops at all against any country, unless that country hits them first.
That also means that players are therefore effectively forced into all X strats only for any netting they might attempt. which puts them at a disadvantage, given that it seemingly also applies across multiple servers.

I cannot say 100% for certain that this is happening, but if it is, then yes, it's a genuine issue, depending on what it is given for, and how.

If say, it is given to someone for 2-3 sets after an extended, demonstrated history of intentional suiciding and griefing, fair enough.
If it's say, given for 10 years because someone made a trolling forum post, not so much.

EDITED to clarify and expand on my meaning and intent.

Edited By: Drow on Aug 10th 2025, 1:22:53
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Aug 6th 2025, 22:54:54

Originally posted by Suicidal:
Originally posted by cyref:
Game Profile for Suicidal on the Alliance Server
Best Finish: Twenty-ninth
Best 3 $166,479,683

Suicidal, you've grabbed bots 160 times this set. Apparently you are not SO against them that you won't touch them.

Honest question: In all the years you've played this game, why have you not even once tried netting?


Thanks for letting me live in your head. (rent free) I joined a war strat game in 1998. The past few sets have seen the game change in many ways and, with the changes, have seen a drastic decline in players. I have been hoping, after watching recent sets, that there would be an attempt to return the game towards its original concepts.
Last set I hit live countries and accepted 1:1 retals. was a fun set. This set, SOL decided to net. Thought I would roll out after this set but wanted to see the excitement that comes with hitting bots. Yeah, I let bots build me up this set just incase someone went stupid on SOL....then I could have had more fun.
Never had to hide my country. Always used "Suicidal". Why do you hide yours?
I express an opinion on AT and the Aholes have to respond to make it personal.....the same folks that no one wanted to pick them to be on their Elementary School Kickball Team. Grow up.


Going to be honest, I enjoyed taking retals on you when you grabbed us a couple of sets back.
I'm actually not opposed personally to some level of grabbing and retalling, within reason.
IN MY OPINION, it leads to inter clan relations as FA's chat to each other, and induvidual players do so as well via ingame messages and the like.
That said, excessive grabbing does lead to bad blood.

Ironically, when there was large amounts of land trading going back ohhh probably a decade or so now? people got pissy that clans were grabbing and retalling each other in a friendly and relaxed manner.

There are a variety of ways to play the game, and the scores are based on final NW, rather than attacks etc.
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Aug 5th 2025, 12:28:39

Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
Despite all the back and forth ive participated in, I hate watching the game slowly lose long time players.


So far as I can tell, this isn't a slow loss.
looks like, counting the active player countries via EEStats, I would say at least a 10-20% drop from this set to next?
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Aug 4th 2025, 23:33:17

gotta stop feeding you chilli. not good for your stomach after all ;)
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Aug 2nd 2025, 3:23:20

Originally posted by DumpsterKnight:
Originally posted by Drow:
Originally posted by DumpsterKnight:
Originally posted by Drow:


🙄


We can't prove it, so fine. However, anyone calling land grabbing someone with 0 defense "suiciding" is nuts.


If you'd been honest that you were landgrabbing for the sake of landgrabbing, and with the intent to drive someone out of the game, sure.
Trying to falsely implicate others for the sake of starting dramas, well that's fluffty.


"with the intent to drive someone out" this is not the truth, there was no such intent on our part


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
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Aug 1st 2025, 13:14:06

Originally posted by DumpsterKnight:
Originally posted by Drow:


🙄


We can't prove it, so fine. However, anyone calling land grabbing someone with 0 defense "suiciding" is nuts.


If you'd been honest that you were landgrabbing for the sake of landgrabbing, and with the intent to drive someone out of the game, sure.
Trying to falsely implicate others for the sake of starting dramas, well that's fluffty.
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Aug 1st 2025, 6:02:58

Originally posted by DumpsterKnight:
Originally posted by Drow:
Someone is playing games with you.
Probably the same people who suicided Omega last set and claimed that we told them to do so.
(which is why we helped Omega kill them, because we didn't)

Omega are netters, but won't hesitate to do something for themselves if they need to. They don't get others to do their work for them.

Henrik is an old member of the community, I suggest you reach out to him, he's a good sort.

We did what we were told. We're sorry we offended OMEGA and their masters, Paradigm, last set. We're noobs, and had no idea we were going to be forever harassed if we don't act as their hands and feet. This injustice isn't just towards poor Josey who couldn't find the Cooperation server, but us as well. We just wanted some good action, but some people just have bigger cliques and bully with their numbers.




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Aug 1st 2025, 5:46:21

Originally posted by VicRattlehead:
Josey made it clear he would bounce if he wasn’t allowed to do his thing in peace. This is clearly a douchebag who intentionally drove out another player.


yep.
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Jul 31st 2025, 21:13:50

Someone is playing games with you.
Probably the same people who suicided Omega last set and claimed that we told them to do so.
(which is why we helped Omega kill them, because we didn't)

Omega are netters, but won't hesitate to do something for themselves if they need to. They don't get others to do their work for them.

Henrik is an old member of the community, I suggest you reach out to him, he's a good sort.
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Jul 30th 2025, 22:48:21

this is valid,
you may have a cookie for that...
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Jul 30th 2025, 2:09:52

I'm not angry with you, just disappointed in a fatherly way...
Mostly over bringing P-Diddy...
Ruthie is welcome, and well, accidents with baby oil drums just happen, I understand :P
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Jul 19th 2025, 1:39:58

do you supply or require the chilli and beer?
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Jul 15th 2025, 11:42:00

I have missed this, keep up the good work :D
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Jul 13th 2025, 23:43:05

he also got my nose and makeup pallette!
How will I do my clown face makeup now???
DISASTER!
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Jul 9th 2025, 23:03:09

resolved indeed :)
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Jul 8th 2025, 2:02:42

aah, missed this, thankyou.
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Jul 7th 2025, 3:48:57

Down at present, not sure who needs to know :)
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Jul 7th 2025, 2:55:34

Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
Half dog, half cat? A cog? Or a dat? or a ditten? or a citten? is that pronounced kitten? Or sitten? A felog? Feline dog?
My children will lift their leg to pee and hide in a box of sand to poop?

Clowns are so weird man.


catdog!
CATDOG!
Alone in the world was a little catdog!
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Jul 6th 2025, 2:26:13

please reach out to me folks!
left a message with Tert but he seems to be inactive atm :)
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Jun 30th 2025, 23:26:41

who is CWG Herby?
they have their own love bug??
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Jun 24th 2025, 22:03:53

welcome back :)
I'll pop over to the big top with popcorn soon :)
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Jun 22nd 2025, 23:23:30

hexor isn't actually an alt lol
as an old paradigm guy yourself, you should also know who he is :P
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Jun 16th 2025, 23:11:02

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Jun 16th 2025, 1:25:08

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Jun 11th 2025, 23:18:13

Originally posted by Servant:
Originally posted by Slagpit:
With respect to the Alliance server, I don't see anything wrong here? Monsters was hit by someone with a grudge against their tag. They successfully defended their tag and killed the aggressor. They can take pride in doing so. What should have gone differently?




Let me attempt a response.

I have always advocated, that just as coop server does this, that on alliance server, no one can leave protection, unless a member of a vetted alliance.

Said alliance should be required to have a minimum of 5 members. ( I would have said 10-15 back in the day.)

You want to start a new alliance, establish it with the server mod, as a recognized alliance. That way each and every alliance, has to take on responsibility for their members. This eliminates most of the suiciers, as they'll be know for who they are since we can now have player history and accomplishments accessible.

If you're a new person to the game, get recruited by a vetted alliance.

Let allianice be about alliance vs alliance, individual suiciders have no part of the game. That was established long ago with when RD went from untagged to tagged.

We have mechancics, we didn't have back then to enforce this,
The history of the game, shows that's how this server has evolved.
And this would be for the good of the game.


Now, a group of suiciders could all choose to band together into one alliance. Then the other alliances would have the choice to address it or ignore and hope. But then at least they have the choice, vs a single person going after a group.

with alliances being smaller it's much more difficult to take out a suicider these days. I once took out the whole top 10 in a tourney game, so a friend could win (Iris from NLS). many of our alliances are now at or less than 10. So I think this issue is even more important. LCN had an spy op teams, that would take out any suiciders, thus limiting damage to the alliance, and we often helped others like Monsters when they had suiciders. but you could that at 120 members, you can't do that at 10.

I'm just saying the history of the server argues for this, and the game mechanics are now possible. And with the smaller alliances, this is more important to address this than ever.






Suicers can go suicide in Primary, where it's all 1 v 1.


I would say every alliance takes on responsibility for their members anyway, or should?
that's part of being in an alliance?

Sometimes, that aslo involves alliances removing members who don't live up to the rules and expectations of said alliance.


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Jun 9th 2025, 23:58:53

everyone loves the fluffmegans ;)
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Jun 9th 2025, 12:22:05

still down as of this comment, same error :)
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Jun 8th 2025, 4:16:53

gone down again :/
error 502 this time, bad gateway

502 Bad Gateway
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Jun 8th 2025, 2:06:20

Also getting the same error when trying to do standard spy ops in Alliance server.
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Jun 8th 2025, 2:01:15

went to check my inbox and got this:

A fatal error has occured. Script execution has been aborted
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Jun 8th 2025, 1:59:51

Originally posted by Dark Demon:
Man that brings back times.



Did you also post with the appalling french accent of the Gambit in Deadpool V Wolverine? :P
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Jun 5th 2025, 11:13:33

Paradigm and Omega offhand, I believe others mentioned that they were as well.
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Jun 5th 2025, 2:49:04

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Jun 5th 2025, 2:48:46

anyone able to kick Pang, Boxcar seems to be horribly broken again. nothing but a white screen on the link address atm.
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Jun 2nd 2025, 23:10:41

Doug seems to have been a little quiet here of late. Not even a response to being declared war on
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Jun 2nd 2025, 22:56:21

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May 30th 2025, 23:52:56

dougie:
I ain't even mad. About time you grew half a set.

I'm sure, in your mind, I put everyone up to this, and I orchestrated it all as some grand plan.
I'm flattered, but you did this to yourself. Again.
I joined the KR for the same reason that I reinforced that your ban was permanent.

You tried to pay someone to hit Paradigm. The alliance you were supposedly loyal to.

You also tried to get other alliances to declare war on Paradigm.
(Did you think we wouldn't find out??)
All because YOU couldn't handle that you were removed from leadership for being dishonest, corrupt, and attempting to turn Paradigm into the Cult of Doug.

History repeats itself when you don't learn the lessons that you were given opportunity to learn from.

You had the chance to learn when you got caught out feeding player numbers and details to Blackhole so he could suicide on Paradigm.

You had the chance to learn when I ripped you to shreds on our discord about censorship, deleting posts and attempting to silence criticism. (behaviours that actively drove multiple paradigm players out)

Instead you chose to lay low for a bit, then simply start the same behaviours over again.

When we had the Paradigm schism, once again caused by your deleting posts, and seemingly innately corrupt nature that you had to "cover things up", you had another opportunity to learn.

Again, nothing changed, and you went back to deleting/editing posts (only your own at this stage).
When we finally booted you, after yet another explicit warning, because you decided to actively harass the leader of another alliance via ingame messages because they blocked you on Discord, AND attempted to goad another player who blocked you in discord directly because they didn't want to deal with, or interact with, you further, instead of learning from THAT, you chose to double down and continue the same old tired crap.

I sincerely hope you FINALLY learn from this, accept that what has happened is the end result of your own actions, get a little maturity, and not only start getting the help you need, but genuinely engage with it.
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May 28th 2025, 5:32:35

If someone can be so kind as to send me the receipts for this so I can go over them, that would be appreciated.

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May 26th 2025, 6:37:09

CWG are also back if you like a bit of insanity.
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May 23rd 2025, 14:41:01

*waves a seltzer water flower about wildly*
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May 23rd 2025, 14:39:26

Just in case you aren't, I put a post up and linked your post here, along with the names you're looking for, and that you're looking for them :)
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May 23rd 2025, 14:36:15

Are you a member of the Earth:2025 group on the Facebooks?
try there as well :)
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May 16th 2025, 12:39:27

that name rings a bell, but to a different username?
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May 13th 2025, 1:37:49

welcome back :)
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May 11th 2025, 1:56:52

Originally posted by EmpyreanMKR:
Originally posted by Drow:
Start with the person who supplied them, and go from there.
That is all


Gotta find the supplier....


I thought you knew who gave them to your leaders?
That's the person you should start with
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May 11th 2025, 1:49:06

Rokkie, you're a good sort, you won't hear otherwise from here.

SF, you and I have had our run ins, but we both seem to be past them now.

TAN is doing what TAN does best and trolling the forums.

TAN also has no serious designs, and never has had any serious designs, on being a mod.

That is all.
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"EE's DILF" - Coalie

"Coalie has more receipts than a Walmart cashier" - TAN

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