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Kill4Free Game profile

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Oct 5th 2025, 2:51:50

Seems a bit of an overkill on players who are just playing the game. Pretty sure some of the stuff you are doing is more of a power trip reaction, rather then a punishment for cheating/botting which is traditionally what real bans were made for. If you are getting some flak, man up and take it, and at times perhaps listen. Don't just delete naysayers. Been playing the game longer then you have, and this is the first time Ive seen bans like this being handed out for non botters.
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Slagpit Game profile

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Oct 5th 2025, 3:07:37

Not a single thing that you posted here is true other than "Been playing the game longer then you have". What exactly are you hoping to accomplish by creating yet another public spectacle? If you are concerned with policy then you should contact a moderator in private. That's been policy for the past 15 years.

Kill4Free Game profile

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Oct 5th 2025, 3:22:31

Half the dudes I play with have got a 10 year ban, I do not believe an in private conversation at this point will be enough. We are a part of a community, and it is already decreasing :/
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Oct 5th 2025, 3:41:17

You fundamentally misunderstand the scope and purpose of bans. Do you think that we shouldn't ban for racial slurs in country names? What about ingame messages that contain links to child sexual abuse material? What about forum posts that contain your name, address, phone number?

Kill4Free Game profile

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Oct 5th 2025, 3:55:39

So the multitude of people you just banned shared child sexual abuse material? They would deserve worse then banning. Thank you for taking care of the trash. Out of everything you stated, the only things that would deserve the 10 year bans would be racial slurs, and the supposed links. Forum posts containing information should be deleted, and maybe a very short term ban.

Im pretty sure my initial post is fairly accurate in terms of the scope of what has to be dealt with, and your first reaction is I know nothing, and am making a fuss. Just not impressed as a whole, and it isnt just over the last couple days.
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SuperFly Game profile

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Oct 5th 2025, 4:04:54

Originally posted by Slagpit:
What about ingame messages that contain links to child sexual abuse material?


Should stuff like that not be reported to authorities? That’s insane if someone here has actually been doing those things

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Oct 5th 2025, 4:17:16

Kill4Free: you fundamentally misunderstand the scope and purpose of bans. Deleting the posts containing personal information is not a solution when the offender can just post the same information over and over again. I do appreciate you admitting that your initial post was incorrect: players deserve bans for offenses other than running multies. That is not a new policy. No one on the Alliance server has been banned for "just playing the game". You making up your own set of facts and attempting some kind of public inquistion is not going help anyone.

Slagpit Game profile

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Oct 5th 2025, 4:18:51

Originally posted by SuperFly:
Originally posted by Slagpit:
What about ingame messages that contain links to child sexual abuse material?


Should stuff like that not be reported to authorities? That’s insane if someone here has actually been doing those things


Players have done a lot of messed up stuff over the past 15 years, including committing various criminal offenses. You can assume that what you asked about has not happened if it's helpful for you to do so.

Edited By: Slagpit on Oct 5th 2025, 4:32:59

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Oct 5th 2025, 16:56:08

Originally posted by Kill4Free:
Half the dudes I play with have got a 10 year ban, I do not believe an in private conversation at this point will be enough. We are a part of a community, and it is already decreasing :/


If half the dudes you play with all get banned maybe its time to find a different crowd to play with?
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Oct 5th 2025, 20:16:52

Originally posted by Mr Gainsboro:
Originally posted by Kill4Free:
Half the dudes I play with have got a 10 year ban, I do not believe an in private conversation at this point will be enough. We are a part of a community, and it is already decreasing :/


If half the dudes you play with all get banned maybe its time to find a different crowd to play with?


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Slagpit Game profile

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Oct 5th 2025, 20:18:01

As a long time player of the game, Kill4Free is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the unpaid volunteer work done by the moderators to keep the game clean. Yet he feels entitled to harass, insult, and disrespect those same moderators.

Sadly I think he's already among the right crowd. The big political issue that Mercs and SOL picked is that they want to harass, insult, and disrespect the moderators without consequences. They are destroying their alliances over it. I don't really care if they destroy their alliances but I wish they would leave me and the other mods out of it.

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Oct 5th 2025, 23:08:45

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UgolinoII Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 13:25:11

Bro, the script is so painfully played out:

Angry poster
Demands game be shut down
Blames Slag for everything
Profanity
Literally asks to be banned

Post history: whiny, angry, entitled, complaints about being deleted
Profile: average to poor player, multiple purple countries

It is my belief that this archetype of player is the main reason that the game is going to crap. I just can't figure out if it's malice or incompetence.

I'm led to beleive one should always assume the latter, so my advice would be to think about what you can do to improve. Perhaps you could start by asking yourself the question:

What exactly is it that you are hoping to achieve with your post?

Cathankins Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 13:37:56

^^^thats what I said Ugo. I think it’s malice and sadism, they always get angry when someone stands up to this behavior. Same type of personality that becomes a cop to beat people and power trip. It’s all over the internet these trolls who think it’s funny to be cruel to their fellow man. I think they got bullied too much growing up and grew to hate their fellow man and somewhere along the line turned evil. Seems to be a society wide issue. The same types think it’s funny to use freedom of speech to torture people.

Makes you one if this first officer in the video plays here with merc. He would fit right in they should send him an invite.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=un8L5iwsqbU

VicRattlehead Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 13:40:45

Originally posted by UgolinoII:
Bro, the script is so painfully played out:

Angry poster
Demands game be shut down
Blames Slag for everything
Profanity
Literally asks to be banned

Post history: whiny, angry, entitled, complaints about being deleted
Profile: average to poor player, multiple purple countries

It is my belief that this archetype of player is the main reason that the game is going to crap. I just can't figure out if it's malice or incompetence.

I'm led to beleive one should always assume the latter, so my advice would be to think about what you can do to improve. Perhaps you could start by asking yourself the question:

What exactly is it that you are hoping to achieve with your post?


You're referring to Hanlon's razor, never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity. Unfortunately, we've seen that thoroughly disproven since 2020.

EmpyreanMKR Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 13:45:48

Thats a very interesting take on it.
Be a good community, and you won't get banned. It's that easy!
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Oct 6th 2025, 14:53:44

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Suicidal Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 15:04:55

Mebbe itz an attempt to keep da status quo......keep it as a non- war....just netter game.
The reverse has happened dis set and da game has returned to war dis set.
Mebbe iffin ya ban the war folks, da game can go bak to da netters.
Just muh opinion, i cud b wrong.

EmpyreanMKR Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 15:26:01

War is part of the game.
Keep war.
Keep netting.
Keep both.
It's that easy.

There's no crying in baseball.
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Oct 6th 2025, 15:26:30

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Oct 6th 2025, 15:29:20

an emoji!!!!! RUN!
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Oct 6th 2025, 16:17:47

Originally posted by Suicidal:
Mebbe itz an attempt to keep da status quo......keep it as a non- war....just netter game.
The reverse has happened dis set and da game has returned to war dis set.
Mebbe iffin ya ban the war folks, da game can go bak to da netters.
Just muh opinion, i cud b wrong.


I think that the warring/netting divide has been around almost as long as the game itself, and over the years has been a real bone of contention amongst PLAYERS.

For admins/devs, I think its huge headache because obviously they want to make all players happy.

When co-op was introduced I didn't get it, but I played it because it was netting server. As time went on it became clear that the whole purpose of co-op was to give the netters what they want, and let Alliance become the defecto war server. Of course you can still try to net on alliance (and still should, because the best netters are also the best at warring :p ) but I think its futile.

I left Alliance, for that reason.

I came back to Alliance to war, because it seems to me that it is finally the war server that the war people wanted.

So I don't really follow the logic here, about "keep it as a non- war....just netter game" it's finally both after all these years.

Are we not entertained?

Suicidal Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 16:44:42

Originally posted by UgolinoII:
Originally posted by Suicidal:
Mebbe itz an attempt to keep da status quo......keep it as a non- war....just netter game.
The reverse has happened dis set and da game has returned to war dis set.
Mebbe iffin ya ban the war folks, da game can go bak to da netters.
Just muh opinion, i cud b wrong.


I think that the warring/netting divide has been around almost as long as the game itself, and over the years has been a real bone of contention amongst PLAYERS.

For admins/devs, I think its huge headache because obviously they want to make all players happy.

When co-op was introduced I didn't get it, but I played it because it was netting server. As time went on it became clear that the whole purpose of co-op was to give the netters what they want, and let Alliance become the defecto war server. Of course you can still try to net on alliance (and still should, because the best netters are also the best at warring :p ) but I think its futile.

I left Alliance, for that reason.

I came back to Alliance to war, because it seems to me that it is finally the war server that the war people wanted.

So I don't really follow the logic here, about "keep it as a non- war....just netter game" it's finally both after all these years.

Are we not entertained?


Mebbe Alliance server should have NO bots. land would come by exploration or land grabs. (sound familair?) Clans could work out FDPs, DNHs kinda things (sound familiar?) A simple 1:1 retal across the board. (None of that old LaF making their own retal policy) just some more thoughts, I could be wrong

Cathankins Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 17:39:16

I don’t think anyone actually had a problem with wars though. Most players admire a good war fighter and a good war. On the flip side, any serious sport in the world will throw a player out of the game for unsportsmanlike conduct and intentionally trying to ruin the game or for cheating.

If you look at the express server right now there are 7 or 8 purples countries specifically built to suicide everyone on the server.

It’s the equivalent of going to Vegas and taking a crap on the poker table and then whining that other players have a problem your behavior when they say “hey I wish merc would stop taking a crap while we are playing cards here”.



I actually believe this game could be monetized and bet upon like any other game (slots, poker, blackjack etc). But you have to handle the trolls.


If Gdi protected from suiciders then netters and war fighters could happily play on the same server. Grabbing a GDI country 20 times in an row should protected by GDI. No one wants that because you only want to troll players and target the netters who have a win like on express right now. It’s just unsportsmanlike conduct, cheating and trolling in my opinion.

No netters are going to play like that and now your server only has rainbows and suiciders and you guys will get bored and no one will come to play under those conditions is what’s happening now.

Alliance had 1,000 players in 2010 (did bots even exist then?). It has 300 right now(with bots). The math doesn’t lie.

Cathankins Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 17:41:21

In case the game management isn’t aware, I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve seen your nicest players here get suicided in that manner and they say they are done and you don’t see them any more. I have no doubt at all this is costing you a lot of players. I’ve witnessed this personally and have been told this many times.

VicRattlehead Game profile

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Oct 6th 2025, 18:49:56

Is Zolag gone for good? Or did he come back?