http://www.truthdig.com/...for_standing_up_20120123/

I'm curious aponic, when you got hit in the head by the piece of falling sky - did it hurt?

People are usually unwilling to see what is right in front of them if it is uncomfortable. I do not think that the United States is some sort of totalitarian state. Simply, I believe in what is obvious. We are consuming finite world resources at a constantly increasing rate, the worlds money supply has become increasingly concentrated in commercial entities, and recent legislation suspends many constitutional rights in the country I live in. It doesn't take a genius to make a hypothesis about the future.

In the end I think your problem, archaic, is not what hypothesis I put forth but the entire notion that I am making a hypothesis. Am I bursting your little bubble shield of ignorance?

lol

OWS super committee says what the movement is all about (in video form):

http://october2011.org/...-super-committee-hearings

" voting is nothing more than a brief chance to register our disgust with the corporate state. It will not alter the configurations of power."

Thanks aponic, an interesting essay. I agree with much of it.

DEAR OWS FANATICS:

YOU WON'T WIN, GET A JOB.

doh, my bubble!

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Well if it is in caps then IT MUST BE TRUE. Maybe you could explain your viewpoints more MrCharcoal.

Sure.

-----If you do not wish to read my entire round of opinionations please skip to the last two paragraphs.

I come from a lost generation (Age need not apply). This is a generation that says you must earn your riches. That may be a car, a house, a small amassed fortune.

I look at the people I grew up with. Those with dedication to hard work have gotten places. It could be starting a business, going through med school or simply working OT in construction. I know 22yr olds with no RESP or "trust fund" that now own their own house, car, have successful marriages etc.

On the same token, I know quite a few 28 year olds who still live at home "to save money", some who work in minimum wage jobs, some who illegitimately use and abuse Workers Comp and Welfare.

Of the "99%", which percentage fall into group number 2 that I listed?

While I do agree with some points they are poorly trying to make (tax swaps etc), The people that drain the economy are those with months on hand to sit in makeshift tent-cities and scream about how the government isn't fair.


Onto this specific topic: Ok, valid point. One president will not be better than the next. Baraka Flocka is the same as the Dirty Mitt etc (Canada = Harper = Ignatief = any other past relevant leader).

Who elects the president? Not the corporations. They may create a president, but they do not elect him. This isn't the 30s-70s where the teamsters and mobsters can determine the presidency. The President is still elected by the general public. The "99%" if you will.

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This movement has reached epic proportions, yet no one has stepped up to actually do anything about it. Sure, this guy and the next are blogging their whines, and a few people got off the couch to stand on the road every day (blocking and bothering hard working blue collar men like me on my way to work). Where is the Malcolm X, Where is the Dr. MLKJ? Where are the ones who will STAND UP AND LEAD THE MASSES. Simple, they are smoking a joint in their parents basements pondering the complexity that is their lack of monetary success. They are still in bed after the crazy night they had at the club last night. They WOULD step up...but the all new Jersey Shore is on at 7 and they don't have a PVR.


It all boils down to the Same Ole Same Old. Talking changes nothing. Thousands of people talking is just noise pollution. Thousands of people legitimately working for a change will produce a change. I have yet to see the latter. Until you're willing to seriously work for a change, at least *work* so your taxes will fix the potholes in the road that destroy my suspension costing me thousands in repairs every year.






PS: pt1) While this forum is open to all debates, sometimes good, sometimes only debated for the purpose of annoying, I will not actually read, nor give a crap, about any oppositions to my OPINIONS.

PS: pt2) I am in no way trying to say any of you fall under the above categories, although I don't doubt some of you do (and you know who you are).

After reading my post, the thoughts didn't quite appear in the appropriate order. Im sure it would have made me sound much more kewl. Oh well.

I like what you have to say and agree in large part.

The 99% slogan was simply aimed to bring light on the control of the elite. To be fair, this is nothing new. What is important to me is that the OWS movement brings attention this issue, it provides talking points, and creates a forum for discussion.

To your point "While this forum is open to all debates, sometimes good, sometimes only debated for the purpose of annoying", I agree. It is easy to be a pacifist if you are not threatened with violence and it is easy to talk about making things better while doing nothing physically. When you are left with few options to back up what you say, maybe creating camps in parks is not a bad way to go about it. The OWS movement is in it's infancy. It might turn out to be a big flop, it might turn out mediocre, and it might continue to grow. It is important to remember that great men do not create movements, movements create great men.

Rather than reverting to some sort of fatalistic outlook, I support OWS and the changes they are advocating.

this just in - Charcoal has a blue collar

if people don't see what's uncomfortable right under their nose, why i get so many forum bans for drunken obnoxious behavior?