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Apr 12th 2012, 22:39:00

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Apr 12th 2012, 23:09:36

he missed with the punch, but could have done without the face to the glass-

that said, if zetterberg knew how to throw a check he would have broken webers back in three places (i'm not a back doctor, no). you shouldn't hit from behind, even if you're half his size.

but like grade two teaches us, two wrong and what not..

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Apr 12th 2012, 23:21:29

retaliation is entrenched in the culture of the game though.

But with that said, Weber deserved to be punished.

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Apr 12th 2012, 23:24:41

8 Mil salary per year and is punished with a 2,500 fine.

based on average salaries.. that's an average joe paying $12.50 for speeding in a school zone.

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Apr 12th 2012, 23:59:54

Same motion that Bertuzi did when he hurt Steve Moore. Only difference was it was into the glass and didn't break his neck. Kinda sickened me to see someone do that.

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Apr 13th 2012, 2:54:22

$2,500 is the max allowed per the CBA. That's kind of silly. I know that we assume that all athletes are superstars and since Crosby et al. are making $8 mil a year that all NHLers make that much, which is false, but they need to come up with some sort of pro-rated punishment based on salary. Max fine should be something like 10 game cheques or 5% of salary. That way you're not taking huge amounts of money off the guys making $400,000 but you're sending a lout and clear message to the wallets of those making $5 mil.
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Apr 13th 2012, 3:08:23

that was a fckin joke. if he doesn't get suspended shannahan is a tool
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Apr 13th 2012, 3:14:49

He didn't. $2,500 fine (second find of the season) and a "stern warning."
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Apr 13th 2012, 3:34:23

There is context to this you know. It was retaliation for what was an extremely nasty, easily-could-have-seriously-hurt-hit.

They both deserve to be punished, what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Apr 13th 2012, 4:35:38

Yes. Zetterberg's hit shouldn't have been ignored. And it wasn't. It was in fact used as mitigating evidence in favour of Weber. Unbelievable that Shanahan would say that Weber's punishment took into consideration the fact that it was retaliatory. Earlier video explanations from the Shanabanner cite retaliation as justification for a harsher punishment. Clearly it wasn't something unintentional. He knew what he was doing, and he knew why. Dropped the ball all around.
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Apr 13th 2012, 4:58:16

it was motivated by racism.

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Apr 13th 2012, 5:00:09

Relax, canadians, its only hockey.. soon the yawnfest will be over and you can spend your time much more wisely by watching baseball.




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Apr 13th 2012, 6:01:08

As a huge Red Wings fan I'm a little biased but how isn't that a malicious intent to injure, targetting the head.. all things they want out of the game. Ridiculous no suspension call.
Hopefully this motivates them to step it up for game 2..
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Apr 13th 2012, 6:27:05

Go Preds!!! Shea can do whatever he like whenever he likes!

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Apr 13th 2012, 7:10:09

Shae... sounds like a girls name.
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Apr 13th 2012, 7:32:58

Weber gets $2500 for a play that does not belong in hockey.

Bitz gets 2 games for a check from behind, a play they want out of hockey.

Bruins player with same said check from behind? 2 minutes.


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Apr 13th 2012, 11:50:16

1) OG hit was dirty, from behind etc
2) Punch / Glass smack was just wrong

3) It's playoffs. No injury, No problem.


The writer of these posts sound like crappy trolls. Im guessing the star player of his team was suspended and fined once and now it's his mission to bring every injustice to the attention of his readers.

Playoff hockey has always been more aggressive. This guy should take out his tampon, man up and quit seeking attention through an online outlet.

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Apr 13th 2012, 17:10:49

no injury, no problem.. I agree with that.. but the guy fluffing tried to headsmash him on the boards like a wrestler smashes a guys head on a turnbuckle...


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Apr 13th 2012, 18:13:27

the HELMET was broken,

do you know how much force is required to break a helmet on glass?
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Apr 13th 2012, 18:20:53

Ok when somenoe tries to pull a Happy Gilmore and fails then no injury no problem. What a stupid comment.

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Apr 13th 2012, 20:37:41

Should of kept going

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Apr 14th 2012, 4:02:32

Originally posted by MrCharcoal:
1) OG hit was dirty, from behind etc
2) Punch / Glass smack was just wrong

3) It's playoffs. No injury, No problem.


The writer of these posts sound like crappy trolls. Im guessing the star player of his team was suspended and fined once and now it's his mission to bring every injustice to the attention of his readers.

Playoff hockey has always been more aggressive. This guy should take out his tampon, man up and quit seeking attention through an online outlet.


What? I'm the writer. And I'm a Leafs fan. And how the hell does aggression excuse what Weber did? He got run at from behind. Fine. It happens in hockey. And as you say, this is playoff hockey. It's more aggressive. It's a completely unreasonable and careless response to punch the guy in the back of the head and then drive his face into the boards. The action that Weber did to Zetterberg is exactly the same action that Bertuzzi did to Moore. The difference being Moore's head traveled farther and harder into the ice than Zetterberg's into the boards.

And I never understood this whole injury thing. If the goal of the NHL is to avoid injuries by addressing the hits that cause them why would they wait until they've already failed (i.e. not punished dangerous hits unless they cause injury)? Wouldn't the proactive thing be to punish hits that could very easily lead to injury? Where do they draw the line? What can a player get away with? Can a player take a baseball swing at an opponents head and not be suspended because if it didn't cause any injury? There exist hits where the result shouldn't matter. Police doesn't arrest the idiot going 160 because he got into an accident. They arrest him because he could have very easily gotten into an accident. He created an unsafe and reckless situation. And given the suspensions Shanahan gave in the regular season had no patterns at all in terms of there having been an injury or not it's clear that an injury is not necessary for a player to receive a suspension.

Lastly, this whole playoffs thing is bogus too. Why should player safety matter least in games that matter most? What's the argument in favour of being more lenient in the playoffs? It's a tougher game? Sure. So you won't call a roughing call that you otherwise might have. You won't call a slash or a hook that you otherwise might have. You let them play on the ice unless it's something blatant. That doesn't mean you ignore anything. Playoff hockey isn't and shouldn't be a no holds barred free for all. It's bad for the NHL product if star players aren't playing in the playoffs. What if Zetterberg had been injured? He was hit with enough force to crack his helmet. He very easily could have missed one or more games. Why should Weber benefit because Zetterberg got lucky?

In fact, the law even recognizes that intent is more important than result when looking at manslaughter vs. attempted murder. In the Criminal Code of Canada both manslaughter and attempted murder gets you up to life in prison, minimum 4 if with a firearm, minimum 5 if with a firearm and associated with a criminal organization. So in a scenario in which two parties are having an argument and in the heat of passion one party discharges a firearm at the other it doesn't matter whether or not that individual dies or the extent of their injuries, they are punished the same way. Extend that to the rink. In the heat of passion down low in the corner Weber retaliates against Zetterberg by slamming his head into the boards. Injury shouldn't matter for such a reckless action.
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Apr 14th 2012, 4:05:29

I agree but as a side note: the incident didn't occur in Canadian jurisdiction.

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Apr 14th 2012, 22:16:31

You're the writer? That's even worse than my original thought. I usually can appreciate your opinions, even if they vary from mine. Every time I read your website I see it as a cry blog.

The NHL is coming along with its discipline. Don't cry that it's not fair, at this point you're lucky there is any. Positive criticism will get your father then "blogging" about the downfalls.

There is a different set of rules in the playoffs. Just Because it doesn't agree with your opinion of fair NHL justice, doesn't matter.

The NHL was based as an emotional sport which is wy it's the only sport (outside of MMA, Boxing etc) that allows fighting. It was allowed to police itself in matters.

Again, Zetterberg messed up, Weber messed up worse, he was warned and fined. It's playoffs, not preseason. Emotions run high. All of you should know about emotions since apparently your internet crying is one of the things that is hurting sports today.

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Apr 15th 2012, 3:21:06

First of all, it's 5 of us writing about a variety of topics. We have about a dozen posts so far, including commentary on Travon Martin, electric cars, Ozzie Guillen's Castro comments and the 2013 Jays roster. I have no idea where you see it as a cry blog.

Second of all, if you bothered to read the entire post about Shanahan you would see that I agree that they're coming along. There's been growth and that growth is doing in the right direction. It's just shaky and inconsistent. I was just pointing out the inconsistencies. I'm not the first to do it and I certainly won't be the last. I read several mainstream authors for Yahoo, SI, and nhl.com who wrote very similar things about inconsistent Shanabans. I didn't "blog" about the downfalls. I outlined inconsistencies, made some suggestions about how they can improve them, and accepted that they are moving towards those improvements.

I also agree that there is a different set of rules in the playoffs. Where did I say that playoff games need to be treated exactly the same as regular season games? I recall saying the exact opposite. There are things that refs do and should let go in the playoffs because they're the playoffs. But there still exist rules in the playoffs and you can't do anything to anyone. The same night that Weber did that to Zetterberg the league suspended Byron Bitz for 2 games. Obviously the playoffs don't automatically protect players from suspensions. Nor should they.
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Apr 16th 2012, 4:11:54

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Apr 16th 2012, 6:39:35

Thanks for the link hawkeyee. I normally hate what that guy says and this is just about the first time I have ever agreed with everything he has said. The NHL needs a complete overhaul with none of Bettmans gang in it anymore.

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Apr 16th 2012, 8:29:03

Damien is hit or miss with me. Lately I've been on the same page as him with the Leafs, Jays and the NHL.
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Apr 16th 2012, 8:56:23

Better be saying some nice things about the Jays