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Flamey Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:16:43

Originally posted by archaic:
. . . and so when Laf hit Sol this set right before Sol was coming in for us? Do you think that Laf being able to read our/Sol's boards maybe benefited you guys a bit then? The decision had just been made, Sol had barely started saving turns, they had not even given us a date yet and Laf hits them on day 17 of the set?

Or, if you'd know that the logs between Arsenal, Makinso, and KJ were gotten through a game cheat, would you still have stood beside Laf when they took action against MD, Sol, and Evo?

I am not implying that Sof cheated or knew that Laf was cheating. I am not even the least bit implying that - I know your history and I know that you would never knowingly accept ill gotten gains. But your tight relationship with Laf during the last several sets of easy win after easy win certainly makes it look like you were riding the coat tails Laf's cheating. Timing is everything and hanlong had perfect timing every set. Now we know why.


Is it me, or was SoL calling foul that LaF hit them while they were opening talks about a friendly war with us? They even accused SoF of luring them, but the shoe seems to be on the other foot!

From this quote it appears that SoL had actually agreed a date to hit us in defense of PDM (while talking to us about an aranged war), despite having no pact with each other and PDM telling people they would not deal with SoL for the same reason they wouldn't talk to SoF.

So... Is SoL's faux outrage revealed yet again. Will they use the LaF cheating saga as a deflection for their shoddy politics? In fact, I personally believe that SoL are happier about the political implications the saga will have, rather than the joy of removing such people from the game...

And... what about PDM who claim to not deal with such alliances that act this way... And receiving information from Hanlong's account in our site about our chat time last reset...Is communism really not wholey ethical?

Alin Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:18:57

All i can say is that there are some guys there in Sof for which the hate for SOL ( and others ) is above cheating.

Good luck.

Ivan Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:20:03

LOL

Deerhunter Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:21:06

Such a far reaching post- just not worthy of a comment.
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Ivan Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:21:17


Actually yer very wrong on that I account Alin, I like quite a few solers from yer recruits up to your reds spent a lot of time playing with them over various servers in the past decade theres even been at least 2 tags in other servers consisting of joint member/leadership from sof&sol so yet again you have no idea what your talking about

Ivan

Alin Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:22:32

I do ... i saw you yestarday in action on the irc channel.

You are one of them too.

Keep up to good work.

Ivan Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:23:08


Should mention lulsec or whatever that nick was as well flamey

anoniem Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:28:44

lmao
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Klown Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:30:46

Last I checked archaic is not a leader of PDM.

Flamey Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:31:22

Just looking for some clarification here... maybe this wasn't the case and I just totally misunderstood the quote. ;)

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May 3rd 2012, 17:31:24

Originally posted by Klown:
Last I checked archaic is not a leader of PDM.


check harder :p
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archaic Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:32:34

Laf's DOW on Sol:

Originally posted by hanlong:
I was told we were at war but no wardec.

1) SOL was looking for a war
2) We were personally told by SOL our pact was already void due to both LaF hitting MD (a SOL FDP) and SOL hitting LCN (a LaF FDP).
3) Given SOL's size and talented war skills due to ally obligations we cannot let them pick on our allies
4) LaF declares war on SOL


Spare us the righteous indignation Flamey, this is not new news, its just a diversionary spin.

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Detmer Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:33:12

SoL had not set a date to hit you.

You should have verified your assumption before posting on here.

archaic Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:33:22

Originally posted by Pang:
Originally posted by Klown:
Last I checked archaic is not a leader of PDM.


check harder :p


Klown fails a LOT
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archaic Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:34:30

Originally posted by Detmer:
SoL had not set a date to hit you.

You should have verified your assumption before posting on here.


I actually stated that in my post . . .
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Flamey Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:38:08

"they had not even given us a date yet"

I totally misread... thanks for that =)

SoL hadn't set a date... yet.

Flamey Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:40:23

and this was a clarification thread, not random accusations such as SoF and LaF intercepted messages and plotted together to kill SoL/PDM in tandem... or Flamey has a PDM spy account...

Klown Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:41:22

I didnt say I had checked anytime recently

Ivan Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:43:19

lol@alin

long live ignorance

archaic Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:43:46

Laf acknowledged that this was why the hit Sol in their DOW, though knowing what I know now - hanlong probably just read it on our senate boards. Hell, he may have never even bothered telling Sof - he saw that Sol was not yet prepping (because he could see that after all) and struck while the iron was hot.

He may not have realized you guys were trying to work out a friendly with them.

This is all so utterly fluffed up.
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Alin Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:45:05

lol@alin

long live ignorance


Ignorance? ... dude you choose to ignore the present truth brininging into discussion things that ocured ages ago with some IX guy or something.

You are the queen and king of ignorance.

Ivan Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:48:40


I had no idea that SOL was planning to hit us and yes I went to SOL to discuss a friendly war with them (and not the other way around as some solers seems to think) not sure if i told hanlong or not id have to check my logs to confirm that

Flamey Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:50:24

Everyone should realise that he planeed to hit SoL before the reset started. After he found the logs he hit, Evo, MD... who do you think was next.

SoL play the same Mon Farmer -> Mon Tehcer, so it was always their plan to hit early, win and farm.

Ivan Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:51:53


Truth and politics are 2 very different things Alin and right now i see most of laf enemies playing politics

Alin Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:57:47

What do you want them to see ?

You want them to apologize to Laf ? You think i ( and other usual EE player) buy the thing that hanlong was doing this alone ?

You want me to trust Laf when a leader like Arsenal put facts on the table ?

No sir ... not this time of the year.

Klown Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 17:58:20

Originally posted by archaic:
Originally posted by Pang:
Originally posted by Klown:
Last I checked archaic is not a leader of PDM.


check harder :p


Klown fails a LOT


Don't make me cheat in response to this attack.

Ivan Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 18:04:08


Which facts are you referring to alin?

Alin Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 18:16:15

20 countrie over MD best netter fact.

#585 fact

fluffcetera...

Told you - i am not with the ignorance around. I can see this from both point of views. I can understand the usual laf member who plaied clean and now feels betrayed.

Buy i can not understand you and especially the great leader "flamey" ...

davidoss Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 18:19:03

Please refer to pang's clarification post Alin.

archaic Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 18:20:18

Originally posted by Klown:
Originally posted by archaic:
Originally posted by Pang:
Originally posted by Klown:
Last I checked archaic is not a leader of PDM.


check harder :p


Klown fails a LOT


Don't make me cheat in response to this attack.


/me preemptively FS Klown
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Detmer Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 18:24:58

Originally posted by Flamey:
Everyone should realise that he planeed to hit SoL before the reset started. After he found the logs he hit, Evo, MD... who do you think was next.

SoL play the same Mon Farmer -> Mon Tehcer, so it was always their plan to hit early, win and farm.


Considering you guys hit PDM, you are clearly not very good at inferring people's intentions. It seems that you can't understand any behavior other than your own. That is consistent with my theory on why SoF is so resistant to any change from the decade long status quo.


I don't even see why you are worked up about this - an alliance (SoL) tries to fulfill their obligations for their allies (PDM) while working out a mutual arrangement for the alliance they need to fight (SoF). This really seems like the best thing they could have done. I think you guys need to go find somewhere else to spin.

Alin Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 18:25:26

Originally posted by davidoss:
Please refer to pang's clarification post Alin.


please refer to :

http://forums.earthempires.com/...-canary-in-the-mine-shaft

http://forums.earthempires.com/...official-response-for-laf

davidoss

Edited By: Alin on May 3rd 2012, 18:27:28
See Original Post

Ivan Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 18:25:39


Can also refer to Highrocks post where he says he played a CI
techers>CI pretty simple

anoniem Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 19:04:30

Originally posted by Ivan:

Truth and politics are 2 very different things Alin and right now i see most of laf enemies playing politics


Truth and politics are two very different things, particularly when reading through your posts.
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Ivan Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 19:16:41


Really? what have I lied about?

TNTroXxor Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 19:38:44

I like SOLer too ! Like Jiman or Makinso but im not suppose to say it out loud cause Ivan might spank me :(
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Son Goku Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 19:59:26

Originally posted by archaic:
Laf's DOW on Sol:

Originally posted by hanlong:
I was told we were at war but no wardec.

1) SOL was looking for a war
2) We were personally told by SOL our pact was already void due to both LaF hitting MD (a SOL FDP) and SOL hitting LCN (a LaF FDP).
3) Given SOL's size and talented war skills due to ally obligations we cannot let them pick on our allies
4) LaF declares war on SOL


Spare us the righteous indignation Flamey, this is not new news, its just a diversionary spin.


For clarification, SoF wasn't the ally described in #3. You interpreted it that way.

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May 3rd 2012, 20:03:41

nah, they would prefer to interpret it their way. :p
Originally posted by cypress:
no reason to start slacking just because they are getting FA

fluff them....we'll steamroll them even with the FA they are getting

archaic Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 20:56:17

Originally posted by Son Goku:
Originally posted by archaic:
Laf's DOW on Sol:

Originally posted by hanlong:
I was told we were at war but no wardec.

1) SOL was looking for a war
2) We were personally told by SOL our pact was already void due to both LaF hitting MD (a SOL FDP) and SOL hitting LCN (a LaF FDP).
3) Given SOL's size and talented war skills due to ally obligations we cannot let them pick on our allies
4) LaF declares war on SOL


Spare us the righteous indignation Flamey, this is not new news, its just a diversionary spin.


For clarification, SoF wasn't the ally described in #3. You interpreted it that way.


A day 17 FS on Sol on based on an impending hit on an ally that WASN'T Sof? I'm calling bullfluff on that one SG, sorry.
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Jiman Game profile

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May 3rd 2012, 21:05:30

I thought I explained all of this already, do I have too again?