As no LaF leader has commented on this country, I'm just asking for some follow up. It points to a third party knowing about the hacking.

His LaF name was 'G'.
He ran 10 turns during the end of a kill run (BR) on him.
Soon after that, his turrets were reduced to -3000 (if you didn't know before, you cannot BR someone with negative turrets).

Who is this mysterious 'G', was he a leader?

lol it's me!
I bought 7000 on a loan. I lost 3000. Then the bank debt collectors came because i haven't paid my bills. They took my all my turrets left over and I owe them 3000 on my credit report

good thing to joke about, stay classy.

we are well aware of 585. At this point we are investigating and as such will not comment until such time as we've determined what happened there and if the player is at fault or not.

G isn't a leader and I don't believe he ever has been

Is he still in LaF?

Show me an admin who has stated that that player did anything wrong. I am under the understanding they are trying to figure out what happened.

Dagga: G is still a member of LaF. Like us, G has no idea why his turrets went negative, and Martian is already in direct contact with G regarding his country.

G is not a leader in LaF.

and before anyone questions single letter member names,

there is a whole core of members that are/were under those aliases, dating back to almost the beginning of E2025

heh ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

What benefit would reducing his own turrets do for him? That would appear to me to indicate someone doing it to harm him. I find it hard to believe that someone would accidentaly take turrets off of their country and I doubt he or anyone else knew about this not being able to BR negative turrets before that happened :P I have never heard of that happening even in a bug...

Definitely a weird situation though.

I assume there was a lag between the original recorded amount of turrets and the actual changing of them in the DB by whoever did it.

While on one hand the country is showing X turrets as static in phpMyAdmin, turrets were continuing to be removed in real time. Not sure how that affected it when the turret amount was changed, but it obviously did.

its daGga

BR cannot continue when turret went negative, in the end CMs were needed in order to kill that country.

obviously han or TC hand in this one too.

You don't read well do you? Nub.

I for one believe you- sure it seems very possible that any imaginable and many unimaginable glitches happened in this game and all seemed to happen to LAF players and ALL seem to benefit LAF players- but yes, i agree with you no laf member had any idea why they happened or how. It is all just a matter of Divine intervention. We believe you.

Regarding 585:
Based on the information I've seen, we are sure of is that the player is not at fault for the negative units and hence no action will be taken against that individual.
We did a db check and it's the only country in the entire history of EE to have negative units.

Also realize that not even the admins knew (prior to this incident) that negative units would make it impossible to be attacked or that it was even possible to for this to happen at all (ie that the db + game code would even accept a negative int). This leads me to believe that it could just as easily be some kind of glitch rather as opposed db editting. AFAIK, you also cannot achieve this thing by triggering an overflow.

Not that any of the above lets TC or Hanlong off the hook.

I can also confirm that G is not an LaF leader, not that it really matters in this case.

As such I consider the matter of this particular country closed. Should any have any evidence, specific examples of other strange things from any country please bring it to our attention privately first so we can investigate.

Actually I did read well nub. And Martian vindicated everything I said. This never happened before so no one would intentionally put their turrets as negative to avoid a kill run. Till now at least. Everyone has to be an ass around here apparently.

thanks for clearing this up martian.:p

I can see that you still cant read locket. If it was edited to negative, then the benefit to him would be that you can not BR that country any further because of the negative units. Instead the cause was from the game glitching. You are a noob. Try harder.

Actually you just don't seem to get it. Before this happened no one could have known that you can't hit a country with negative turrets. So what benefit would someone have seen by doing this? None that would be positive for the country in question. I type that with the understanding that no one knew what would happen when you had negative army values since it has never happened before. However, that will not stop you from being a douche. You aren't trying to understand what I am saying or why i am saying it so why sit here and simply try to be an ass?

And yes I read Martian's statement too.