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Atryn Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 13:57:22

I fixed a typo / bad wording on our retal policy on the wiki. Note the following is now current as of this post:

http://wiki.earthempires.com/.../Moral_Decay_Retal_Policy

Thanks!

Turtle Crawler Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 15:04:57

Do you not understand that your retal policy only applies for incoming hits? These read more like pact terms. And the third one is just funny.

So these terms can only be used against you:

1) Hits on any country involved in land trading can only be retalled on a 1:1 basis.

2) 72 hour tag responsibility, for the avoidance of doubt any country tagging from your alliance to an alliance at war with MD must be killed within 48 hours by your alliance.

3) No FAing/assisting a tag that is at war with MD.

H4xOr WaNgEr Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 15:22:40

yeah the last 2 people definitely won't accept without a pact saying so.

Boltar Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 16:38:16

What ever happened to getting in contact with retaliate policies?

Nekked Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 16:40:15

they suxor!

Turtle Crawler Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 16:44:58

They still haven't given up on the wording after their pact terms got used against them.

'involved' <-- never use this word ever
'land trading' <-- completely undefined and if you topfed countries like this you would end up in war for sure.

Atryn Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 18:37:41

TC / H4: We think it is useful for non-pacted folks to know what our expectations are. Whether or not they accept it is a matter for FA contact. You'll note our FA contact is listed on that same page?

For example, on #3 - if an untagged country decides to FA/assist a tag that is at war with MD, we are letting it be known that we don't accept that. In this case, we are not defining specifically what action we will take against that country, so we have plenty of options and someone should use caution before engaging in that activity.

Naturally, for #2, we would likely reach out to the FA contact for that alliance. They may choose to ignore it if we have no pact -- that's their choice. We'll consider our response based on the circumstances at that time. We're just letting people who are unpacted know how we feel about it.

We haven't ended up in a war over #1 yet, to my knowledge. But it is well known MD doesn't like land-trading and will treat land-traders differently. These public terms, of course, do not override any terms we otherwise have with a pacted alliance. And we tend to make FA contact privately over anything that looks conflicting with the published policies on both sides before it escalates anyway.

Detmer Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 18:48:17

Originally posted by Atryn:
TC / H4: We think it is useful for non-pacted folks to know what our expectations are. Whether or not they accept it is a matter for FA contact. You'll note our FA contact is listed on that same page?

For example, on #3 - if an untagged country decides to FA/assist a tag that is at war with MD, we are letting it be known that we don't accept that. In this case, we are not defining specifically what action we will take against that country, so we have plenty of options and someone should use caution before engaging in that activity.

Naturally, for #2, we would likely reach out to the FA contact for that alliance. They may choose to ignore it if we have no pact -- that's their choice. We'll consider our response based on the circumstances at that time. We're just letting people who are unpacted know how we feel about it.

We haven't ended up in a war over #1 yet, to my knowledge. But it is well known MD doesn't like land-trading and will treat land-traders differently. These public terms, of course, do not override any terms we otherwise have with a pacted alliance. And we tend to make FA contact privately over anything that looks conflicting with the published policies on both sides before it escalates anyway.


And since land trading is any two countries who hit back and forth, you turn yourselves into land traders by retalling. Thus you may only retal 1:1. =P

Turtle Crawler Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 19:05:58

Yeah, a lot of people were 'land trading' with #18 earlier, but that doesn't open you up from grabing. According to what you have posted though I could grab a MD country and enforce only 1:1 retals if I were not pacted to you with different terms.

TheORKINMan Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 19:25:33

I deny your retal policy, and substitute my own.
Smarter than your average bear.

Locutus Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 19:31:28

*farts out a bonus*

Atryn Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 19:33:18

Detmer: I don't think we provide that (or any) definition of land trading in our published policy.

TC: Are you referring to #58 (LaF) with #18 back and forth?

Trife Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 20:22:34

Locutus' bonus smells like eggs

Turtle Crawler Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 22:11:01

I see an (attempted) killrun by MD on #18 and grabs back and forth between #18 and the tag MD so yup, landtrading.

You don't have a def that limits it for example to two countries exchanging hits (which is only one subsection of landtrading).

Detmer Game profile

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Apr 16th 2012, 22:19:12

Originally posted by Atryn:
Detmer: I don't think we provide that (or any) definition of land trading in our published policy.

TC: Are you referring to #58 (LaF) with #18 back and forth?



So why are you writing a retal policy if it doesn't have specific rules? You might as well just say "we will retal as we see fit" and not bother with a formal policy =P

Magellan Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 2:05:16

[/quote]
So why are you writing a retal policy if it doesn't have specific rules? You might as well just say "we will retal as we see fit" and not bother with a formal policy =P [/quote]

I'VE BEEN PREACHING THAT FOR YEARS!

Atryn Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 2:37:26

<3 Mags

Atryn Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 2:41:04

TC: :) You don't read the news very well.

Have a good set!

Boltar Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 2:49:37

Aren't pdm and md butt buddies? How do u feel about the other ass cheek land trading?

Detmer Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 3:15:29

Mags, I think that is a fairly valid approach, I hope you're serious =P

Originally posted by Boltar:
Aren't pdm and md butt buddies? How do u feel about the other ass cheek land trading?


Probably better than their "allies" selling their secrets. =)

Boltar Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 13:08:16

Wasn't me only way they could have bought me was with Doug sister pics

Detmer Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 13:10:59

Originally posted by Boltar:
Wasn't me only way they could have bought me was with Doug sister pics


I know it wasn't you. And I hope we can recruit Doug back some time, and then his sister.

Boltar Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 13:30:04

Hell with Doug. Demand the shelly

Detmer Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 13:34:35

Originally posted by Boltar:
Hell with Doug. Demand the shelly


Doug is the gatekeeper

Boltar Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 13:37:33

Lol going by his gender regardless of orientation. I thought he was the key master?

elvesrus

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Apr 17th 2012, 13:45:51

so sayeth the marshmallow man ;)
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Elves is a douche on every server.

Boltar Game profile

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Apr 17th 2012, 13:48:24

Lol u bastard nate